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03/27/2002 07:36:18 AM · #26 |
Should there be a rule against themed pictures when the theme has nothing to do with the challenge? There's a specific picture in the night shots challenge that's more about a movie than the actual challenge topic, so to speak.
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03/27/2002 07:46:09 AM · #27 |
| No. The rules say take your best night picture. The movie picture was taken outdoors at night. The bus picture was taken on a bus but it was clearly at night. I didn't see anything in this challenge that needed to be disqualified. |
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03/27/2002 07:59:41 AM · #28 |
I don't think the bus picture should have been disqualified for its subject matter. The movie shot, well, perhaps it's just me but I'm guessing it wasn't taken for the challenge.
Originally posted by shortredneck:
No. The rules say take your best night picture. The movie picture was taken outdoors at night. The bus picture was taken on a bus but it was clearly at night. I didn't see anything in this challenge that needed to be disqualified.
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03/27/2002 08:37:57 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by leshii:
The movie shot, well, perhaps it's just me but I'm guessing it wasn't taken for the challenge.
That's a pretty big assumption to base a recommendation for disqualification on.
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03/27/2002 09:35:09 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by leshii:
...The movie shot, well, perhaps it's just me but I'm guessing it wasn't taken for the challenge..
I personally don't care why the picture was taken. It was a night shot and taken the week of the challenge. There are some things a person shouldn't have to defend. The reason for taking a photo is one of them.
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03/27/2002 12:14:07 PM · #31 |
I'll second that. I deliberately avoided a few ideas I had for the night shot because I was worried that people would not 'get' it and mark me down. My favorite architecture shot isn't going to be my submission either, since it doesn't scream 'BUILDING! ARCHITECTURE!' but captures an elegant detail of a building and pulls it out of context. And I'm still feeling a little stung from my atypical macro shot which, although very very small, used large-scale composition and was deliberately misleading. I got hammered on that one!
Is a picture taken in a brightly lit restaurant after the sun goes down a night shot? How about at a night club, captuing 'night life' after the sun goes down? I think so.
The sad truth is that not many people appreciate a 'challenging' interpretation of a challenge. It's their loss.
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03/27/2002 01:40:58 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by connie:
Question...
Can anyone tell me why the picture inside bus with the kids is off the voting page? I can't remember the title, I liked that shot! Just wondering...
Me Too! What happened? Somebody put it back!
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03/27/2002 02:16:09 PM · #33 |
| concerning the "movie themed" picture, I do not believe it should be disqualified. It meets the criteria of the challenge, and it is fun. I thought it was a unique and imaginative picture. Besides, from it you can make all kinds of connections to night. - After all, the rebels were fighting against the "dark" side = ) |
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03/27/2002 03:28:02 PM · #34 |
Nocturnal Bus Journey was disqualified due to the fact that it was taken February 2nd, 2002.
The user claimed the image was taken March 21, 2002, but upon further examination it was reported as taken in February. The challenge specifically stated that all images needed to be taken during the week of the challenge.
It's now apparent that the "honor system" is not good enough. We will be instantiating new submission rules for challenges where the image must be taken that week.
* This message has been edited by the author on 3/27/2002 8:29:26 PM.
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03/27/2002 03:55:15 PM · #35 |
| Thanks for clearing that up Langdon. I guess everybody was thinking there was someone out there that got the picture disqualified over a minor thing like being inside the bus. I agree the picture should be disqualified when the rest of us were scrambling around within the 7 day time frame to get the perfect picture. |
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03/27/2002 06:12:10 PM · #36 |
I like to take my pictures in Canon's raw format, which then gets converted to tif when I start working with the image. However, I find that by the time I am done with getting it 'web ready' via Photoshop the exif data is lost. I hope that you contact me directly if my submissions should ever run into the problem of determining the exact date of when the photos were taken.
I know of another photo challenge website where people have to submit 2 versions of a photo. The first is the edited version that is to be judged, and the second is a version that has exif data. They use this second version as guard against copyright infrigment. Should this be something to consider?
* This message has been edited by the author on 3/27/2002 11:13:43 PM. |
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03/27/2002 07:00:54 PM · #37 |
I use Zoom Browser to convert my G2's RAW files to .TIF. The EXIF data is lost there, since it is extra data stored in the header of JPG files. If you take a shot in your camera's RAW format, it will most likely NOT have EXIF data in the resultant TIF (even before it hits Photoshop.) The RAW file does have EXIF data (since each manufacturer uses a proprietary format,) but the admins would have to have some way of reading each camera type's RAW format to see the EXIF data.
Do programs like Thumber read EXIF data from RAW format type files, or just JPG (since EXIF in JPG files is a publicly known format?)
If not, then this should be fair warning to the admins of the possible complexity and especially to the photographers to plan in advance by not taking photos for the challenges in JUST RAW format... |
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03/28/2002 12:33:59 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by mykoleary:
I use Zoom Browser to convert my G2's RAW files to .TIF.
What are your G2's RAW files if they're not already in .TIF format?
It's a wonder to me why anyone even uses the TIF format on their cameras, when the highest JPEG setting is of the same quality at seemingly 1/10th of the size.
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03/28/2002 12:53:14 AM · #39 |
Because you edit various aspects of the photograph when it's in RAW format after you've taken it off your camera (and after you've taken the shot, of course) that you cannot otherwise.
Originally posted by langdon:
It's a wonder to me why anyone even uses the TIF format on their cameras, when the highest JPEG setting is of the same quality at seemingly 1/10th of the size.
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03/28/2002 04:13:19 AM · #40 |
Recording images in TIF or RAW format is a way to ensure that the camera does do any processing of the images (mainly via compression). Once the camera processes an image there isn't anyway for you to recover the loss in image information.
My opinion is that if you are taking pictures for multimedia purposes only then you would be fine sticking with JPEG compression. However, if you want to some day print your pictures, then consider TIF or RAW. That way, when you need to blow things up, you have the maximum image information available.
* This message has been edited by the author on 3/28/2002 9:14:08 AM. |
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03/28/2002 04:24:23 AM · #41 |
also, I discover that Canon's RAW image converter utility keeps the exif data for resulting TIF file (so, consider using this if you like taking pix in RAW format). The exif info is only lost after I edit in Photoshop and save. Another funky thing, I can resize the the original TIF image in ACDSee and not lose exif info.
My current image handling method is to 1) treat the RAW files like film negatives, 2) use Canon's image converter to make TIF files on images that I want to work on, 3) Save my final edited TIF & save a JPEG version, 4) After the contest is over, I delete the TIF file. This way I have the original RAW file archived and the JPEG I submitted.
I would love to hear about how others handle images.
* This message has been edited by the author on 3/28/2002 2:10:46 PM. |
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03/28/2002 06:03:09 AM · #42 |
Another reason to save images as RAW files is that some cameras use 12 bits per pixel in their RAW format, not 8. This gives you much more accurate color reproduction for print, and the dynamic range can be much wider without a loss of detail. You have a lot more control when adjusting the levels and sharpness (and saturation, when not submitting to a challenge) before you convet the image to 8 bits for web display. I don't use them because they're much too large for the number of pictures I typically shoot in a day, I'd need way too much storage!
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03/28/2002 06:37:41 AM · #43 |
Well I'm new here also and very new to photography, so I'm not quite comfortable commenting on photos yet. Unless that is..one just intrigues me, then I may. But I am open to any helpful comments coming my way. I do have a site at //www.soul-visions.com with a few shots I've done so far.
* This message has been edited by the author on 3/28/2002 11:39:27 AM. |
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03/28/2002 08:27:03 AM · #44 |
Hi faerieaeone,
If the photography on your website is any indication of your skill I eagerly await the time you feel comfortable enough to comment on our work. :)
Welcome aboard!
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03/28/2002 08:38:10 AM · #45 |
Just FYI, if you save jpegs using the "save for web" feature in photoshop, the EXIF data is lost. But if you save using "save as", it keeps the data. I've stopped using "save for web" for the challenges due to this fact.
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03/28/2002 08:56:08 AM · #46 |
Wow..thanks for the compliment. You don't know how that makes me feel. =)
Oh and and thanks Mike for the tip! You must have been reading my thoughts. I was looking up info last night on how to do that and didn't have any luck. Thanks so much! I have Photoshop, but I also have Paintshop Pro.. do you know if it works the same way?
* This message has been edited by the author on 3/28/2002 1:57:23 PM.
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03/28/2002 09:09:21 AM · #47 |
Unfortunately, when you have photos with a lot of dynamic range "save as" won't be able to save at 480x640 under the 150k requirement, without major compression (i.e., lots o'jaggies - nasty nasty looking stuff). "Save for the web" optimizes the compression such that you can save at 480x640 under the 150k requirement, and still have good results.
You might want to read the jpg discussion thread posted in the Tips & Tricks Forum.
* This message has been edited by the author on 3/28/2002 2:09:45 PM. |
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03/28/2002 09:36:21 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by khanhx:
Unfortunately, when you have photos with a lot of dynamic range "save as" won't be able to save at 480x640 under the 150k requirement, without major compression (i.e., lots o'jaggies - nasty nasty looking stuff).
In all honesty I use it all the time with values ranging from 12 down to 7. I'll flip back and forth between an image saved with "12" (max), and an image saved with 7 or 8, and I'll see absolutely no differences.
Just my 2 cents.
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03/28/2002 09:38:16 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by khanhx:
Unfortunately, when you have photos with a lot of dynamic range "save as" won't be able to save at 480x640 under the 150k requirement, without major compression (i.e., lots o'jaggies - nasty nasty looking stuff). "Save for the web" optimizes the compression such that you can save at 480x640 under the 150k requirement, and still have good results.
You might want to read the jpg discussion thread posted in the Tips & Tricks Forum
The "save for web" feature doesn't do anything that can't be done without it, it just puts it all in a nifty little easy-to-use interface. Unfortunely, it doesn't seem to like EXIF data, so for the purpose of this site, it's probably a better idea to manipulate the image manually and use the jpeg exporter instead. My images have come up just fine using the standard exporter and some small tweaks before saving.
- mike
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03/28/2002 09:59:17 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
Another reason to save images as RAW files is that some cameras use 12 bits per pixel in their RAW format, not 8.
Not per pixel, per color plane per pixel.
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