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12/13/2004 05:46:51 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Have you considered perhaps not looking at titles, and voting solely on your perception of the photograph, which is what the competition is really about. |
I'd still like to move the title below the photo on the voting page so people would have the option, and couldn't vote while the photo was still loading. |
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12/13/2004 05:51:36 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Have you considered perhaps not looking at titles, and voting solely on your perception of the photograph, which is what the competition is really about. |
I'd still like to move the title below the photo on the voting page so people would have the option, and couldn't vote while the photo was still loading. |
You have a good point. I have not thought about that since I̢۪m on a high-speed connection. The images are instant [or close to it] I never have to wait more than a second for a picture to load. But for dial-up votes this may be an issue and may vote before the full image has loaded to speed up they̢۪re voting. But you have to see the whole picture to vote fair.
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12/13/2004 05:53:24 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Since the challenge has a title, I think using the same word for the photo is exactly the same as calling it "Untitled" or leaving it blank. It seems to me that ideally the title of the challenge should be a perfect title for the photo if it is an appropriate entry -- I can't see marking someone down for using the challenge theme as their photo title. |
Sure, but if the challenge is "time" and you've got a guy rubbing his stomach and the photo is titled "time for lunch" it's just getting a little ridiculous...I can understand saintaugust's point as there are many many cases of this in most challenges, but sometimes the photo does suit the challenge perfectly and can be simply and aptly titled the same as the challenge. |
this is exactly what i was trying to say. thanks cloud.
i'm not looking through entries trying to mark things down for fun. i want to rate high and appreciate the work. however, some photo titles are used as a tool to stretch how it fits into the challenge.
if there were no titles, it wouldnt be an issue. but there are. and I consider them as part of my score.
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12/13/2004 05:55:34 AM · #54 |
Votes: 55
Views: 73
Avg Vote: 5.6000
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
My best opening score, but not my best score.
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12/13/2004 06:02:18 AM · #55 |
Votes: 54
Views: 72
Avg Vote: 5.4259
Comments: 1
Hmmm...I'll have to wait and see, I guess...I was expecting to have about a 5.7 by the end of the day...wait and see, wait and see... |
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12/13/2004 06:05:30 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Since the challenge has a title, I think using the same word for the photo is exactly the same as calling it "Untitled" or leaving it blank. It seems to me that ideally the title of the challenge should be a perfect title for the photo if it is an appropriate entry -- I can't see marking someone down for using the challenge theme as their photo title. |
Sure, but if the challenge is "time" and you've got a guy rubbing his stomach and the photo is titled "time for lunch" it's just getting a little ridiculous...I can understand saintaugust's point as there are many many cases of this in most challenges, but sometimes the photo does suit the challenge perfectly and can be simply and aptly titled the same as the challenge. |
this is exactly what i was trying to say. thanks cloud.
i'm not looking through entries trying to mark things down for fun. i want to rate high and appreciate the work. however, some photo titles are used as a tool to stretch how it fits into the challenge.
if there were no titles, it wouldnt be an issue. but there are. and I consider them as part of my score. |
I was talking about titles which were "the same" as the challenge, not which use the challenge as part of the title as in this example. I have no problem with considering the title part of the overall presentation of the finished photo. |
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12/13/2004 06:14:10 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I'd still like to move the title below the photo on the voting page so people would have the option, and couldn't vote while the photo was still loading. |
I love this idea. It would be even better if viewing the title was not something automatic, but rather something you had to request. That way, people would be free to vote solely on what they thought of the image before them, and it would not provide a "crutch" for people striving to get their photos to fit a challenge merely through the use of titles. |
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12/13/2004 06:27:17 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by orussell:
Last minute feable attempt. I decided not to enter it. Broken mirror with the Windows default desktop reflected on it. Broken Windows I was going to call it. I know.....lame (not a great shot either). That's why I didn't enter it. I've learned something anyway. |
I like the idea (even if Mr. Gates wouldn't) but wish the desktop reflection was a little easier to make out. I'd have maybe tried the same thing using the startup splash screen with the giant Windows logo.
I probably would have used this for my entry, but it was taken a week too early
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I like the broken windows better than the security one. Just remove hte glass dust, and well you had a ribbon winner.
Fell better now? Me neither. I need another .1 or so to get onto my top 4 and at least give me something new to look at on my profile page! |
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12/13/2004 06:44:21 AM · #59 |
| The Windows shot is by orussell -- I was just quoting it! |
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12/13/2004 09:12:43 AM · #60 |
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12/13/2004 09:14:13 AM · #61 |
Votes: 65
Views: 91
Avg Vote: 5.4462
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/13/04 02:13 pm
Floating around the 5.5 mark really.
Cool. |
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12/13/2004 11:18:17 AM · #62 |
| Are you allowed to mention specific photographs from challenges? If so, any favorites? |
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12/13/2004 11:28:38 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by smartypants:
Are you allowed to mention specific photographs from challenges? If so, any favorites? |
No, and...tell ya later! |
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12/13/2004 11:44:39 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by smartypants:
Are you allowed to mention specific photographs from challenges? If so, any favorites? |
Nope, not allowed, but my favorite is my own...
It's the one that's broken.... ;-)
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12/13/2004 11:48:21 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by smartypants:
Are you allowed to mention specific photographs from challenges? If so, any favorites? |
Yeah, I realized that too late...
I just want to beat 5.39, currently at 5.28.
You can feel free to give me a few 8s or something.
My pic is "Beautiful lighting and composition", well, that is what my one comment says.
(THANK YOU! you inciteful art expert and critic you!) |
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12/13/2004 11:27:14 PM · #66 |
This challenge has yielded the very first anonymous comment I've received. I think it's kinda funny that ordinarily I would just accept the comment and move on (I've never replied to any of my comments during the challenge), the sight of that little paper bag gave me an intense urge to reply to the sender :).
In other firsts this is the first time I've got 'doesn't meet challenge' type remarks. All sorts of entertainment. Personally I think it meets the challenge, it's just not something that hits the viewer over the head. Guess I shouldn't have taken heed of the 'creatively' aspect of the challenge description :).
So as not to divert this thread to yet another discussion of the extent to which images meet the challenge I'm currently on a 5.43 - a pretty average score, but one that should have an interesting spread of scores. I think the best part of this challenge is that if things continue at the present rate I won't have to look at my distinctly average communications entry on my front page.
Message edited by author 2004-12-14 04:30:04. |
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12/13/2004 11:45:04 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by samtrundle:
In other firsts this is the first time I've got 'doesn't meet challenge' type remarks. All sorts of entertainment. Personally I think it meets the challenge, it's just not something that hits the viewer over the head. Guess I shouldn't have taken heed of the 'creatively' aspect of the challenge description :). |
Be creative as long as you are creative in the usual, accepted ways - these include broken glass, broken bulbs, broken eggs, broken vows, and broken spirits. ;) |
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12/13/2004 11:57:17 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Since the challenge has a title, I think using the same word for the photo is exactly the same as calling it "Untitled" or leaving it blank. It seems to me that ideally the title of the challenge should be a perfect title for the photo if it is an appropriate entry -- I can't see marking someone down for using the challenge theme as their photo title. |
Sure, but if the challenge is "time" and you've got a guy rubbing his stomach and the photo is titled "time for lunch" it's just getting a little ridiculous...I can understand saintaugust's point as there are many many cases of this in most challenges, but sometimes the photo does suit the challenge perfectly and can be simply and aptly titled the same as the challenge. |
this is exactly what i was trying to say. thanks cloud.
i'm not looking through entries trying to mark things down for fun. i want to rate high and appreciate the work. however, some photo titles are used as a tool to stretch how it fits into the challenge.
if there were no titles, it wouldnt be an issue. but there are. and I consider them as part of my score. |
I was talking about titles which were "the same" as the challenge, not which use the challenge as part of the title as in this example. I have no problem with considering the title part of the overall presentation of the finished photo. |
While I agree that the title should not be the only thing linking a photo to the challenge, sometimes it is an important part of the challenge entry as a whole. A lot of the impact of BradP's "Cat Scan" would have been lost without the title to serve as a punch line.
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12/14/2004 12:08:33 AM · #69 |
| There you go....enough said on that subject....dpdave...hit the nail on the head... |
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12/14/2004 01:50:29 AM · #70 |
People are starting to use that breakdown voting....giving one of those Composition, Technical, Appeal, Challenge, Overall Calculated Average Score things. I actually really like that now....it helps alot. So I know what aspects people seem to like about my photos :D
Votes: 94
Views: 131
Avg Vote: 4.9149
Comments: 6
Doing pretty well, I think....better than my Yellow by far :D |
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12/14/2004 02:19:26 AM · #71 |
| Yeah - the break down voting is useful, but a problem arises when the entire comment consists of something like comp #, subject # challenge # and nothing else - a simple sentence explaining why those numbers were arrived at is incredibly useful, whereas the numbers alone (while definately better than no comment at all) aren't incredibly constructive. |
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12/14/2004 03:42:37 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by samtrundle:
Yeah - the break down voting is useful, but a problem arises when the entire comment consists of something like comp #, subject # challenge # and nothing else - a simple sentence explaining why those numbers were arrived at is incredibly useful, whereas the numbers alone (while definately better than no comment at all) aren't incredibly constructive. |
I agree!
I made the following comment in the "Proposed Voting Method" thread, but it's going ignored over there so I'm repeating it here:
(Last 2 comments on my "Broken" entry:
Comment #1:
Composition: 7, Technical: 8, Appeal: 7, Challenge: 8, Overall Score: 7
Comment #2:
Composition: 4, Technical: 3, Appeal: 2, Challenge: 2, Overall Score: 3
The first commenter left a "real" comment...the kind that includes a subject, object, verb. No explanation from the second commentor, though. I think if you're going to hand out low scores like that you can at least explain why it's unappealing to you and how you think it missed the challenge.
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12/14/2004 04:01:14 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by samtrundle:
Yeah - the break down voting is useful, but a problem arises when the entire comment consists of something like comp #, subject # challenge # and nothing else - a simple sentence explaining why those numbers were arrived at is incredibly useful, whereas the numbers alone (while definately better than no comment at all) aren't incredibly constructive. |
I agree in theory, but this is one of those apples and oranges cases. My issue is that the breakdown voting keeps being compared to a comment. It's not!!! It's entered into the comment field because it's an "aftermarket" system. If the site provided a multitiered voting system, the comment field would be blank and you wouldn't make this comparison. It doesn't so the breakdown is placed in the comment in order to "reverse-fit" the feature.
Now how many 4's, 3's, 2's and 1's are we getting without any comment at all? Surely this provided more at least some more information than those.
Yes, a comment is ALWAYS better. But we don't get many of those in any case, do we? |
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12/14/2004 04:13:44 AM · #74 |
Whoever is scoring me with the--Tech: 6 Composition 5, blah blah blah scoring system--is not helping me and thus gets no checkmark for a "helpful remark". I feel like I should be hearing the Olympic announcer's echoing voice "5.9.....4.2....5.9...."
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12/14/2004 04:28:08 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
Last...comment...on my "Broken" entry:
Composition: 4, Technical: 3, Appeal: 2, Challenge: 2, Overall Score: 3
The first commenter left a "real" comment...the kind that includes a subject, object, verb. No explanation from the second commentor, though. I think if you're going to hand out low scores like that you can at least explain why it's unappealing to you and how you think it missed the challenge. |
This morning I had a similar comment, likely from the same (hesitating for word selection)... person. Not an explanation in sight, just:
"Composition: 4, Technical: 4, Appeal: 1, Challenge: 2, Overall Calculated Average Score: 3"
As for the Appeal category, what does that mean? One of the greatest photos I've ever seen is the famous Viet Nam execution in the Saigon street, the B&W pic with the gun to the head of the grimacing victim. What would that photo score in the Appeal category? My gripe is that my intention was to show how the use of yellow in my photo has had a negative impact, so naturally the subject isn't what most would consider appealling. Anyway, please pardon my rant. Feel better now .) Now let's see, this was actually the thread for BROKEN, I believe. Doing better there, a personal best so far:
Votes: 110
Views: 155
Avg Vote: 5.8273
Comments: 4
Very happy with that score! |
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